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welcome back we are

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once again live on nasa tv

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from the asteroid initiative idea

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synthesis workshop here at the lunar and

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planetary institute it's our third and

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final day we had a really exciting set

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of presentations this morning about next

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generation engagement some fantastic

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visualizations

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and we have

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not quite a half hour now to engage in

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some discussion and thinking hopefully

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the presentations have sparked some

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ideas both within the audience here

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as well as

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out on the on the net our hashtag again

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for those that have questions it's

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hashtag asteroid gc so

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join us in this conversation

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so

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next generation engagement saw

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some fantastic visualizations

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and i think we started to get a sense

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that there there is an opportunity for

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people to build on

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and plug into those systems and play

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with those systems and i'm wondering we

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aspect as much and so

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eric and david if if you might

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moving forward because

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we're going to end in about a half hour

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we're going to have a plenary session

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we're going to go home and

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i'm going to feel like we accomplished a

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but we need to keep moving and we have a

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wiki that's gathering ideas but how are

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we going to be able to keep folks

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and utilize these systems that you've

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so that they can feel like they can

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continue to participate once once we

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leave here so can i ask you to dig in on

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multiple mics yeah

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now i think first

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i think people don't understand quite

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to them on the web from nasa and you

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know by making sure that we

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uh make people aware of that give them

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links to where they can get those things

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you know and those are images that they

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every day they're updated there's

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real-time data that comes out okay and i

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think that's important uh the second is

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that there are also videos the same way

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but probably the most important thing is

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that there are models nasa is keeping a

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set of models you know of planetary

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objects like asteroids but of spacecraft

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as well okay and those are things that

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with html5 you can actually put in your

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browser and interact with you in real

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time they're also you know open source

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software that's free where you can make

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your own videos and visualizations you

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know and then there's also things that

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come with operating systems both for the

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pc and for the mac you know that people

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can use okay and so it's not like they

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these are things they can make

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themselves and so to me

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a few links get them started uh and

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probably a few short tutorials you know

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even one pagers you know uh would help a

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lot and maybe we can even start that

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dialogue on your wiki page

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so that people can say oh how do i make

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a movie or how do i make a mosaic or how

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and all those things are within the

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capability of anyone that has a laptop

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or a home pc or even a game box so you

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know those those are the kind of things

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far is the uh distance from

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3d model to

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printing that thing out on a 3d printer

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that they've got at their local tech

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shop is it actually is the 3d model what

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they would need to take it to the

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makerbot or is there a next step between

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what you've created and actually

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that's a very good question and

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in theory okay i think einstein is the

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person who's famous for this quote uh in

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theory practice and theory are the same

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thing in practice they're not

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table or the chair no problem okay

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physical model is limited by you know

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element that it can do and if your model

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missing okay and so so all it needs

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a thinning so you just need a thinning

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resolution that you're going to print at

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a fair dream to think that we could have

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quote unquote shops people in their

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bedrooms with their laptops all over the

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producing videos based on real data and

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models and designing it themselves

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tomorrow if we had the right tutorials

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available we have the material for them

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be a good thing for this grand challenge

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your question about what can people do

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but um eyes on the solar system is part

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which um is a trio of of eyes on the

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earth eyes on the solar system and also

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eyes on the exoplanets and so it's it's

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really cool i encourage everyone um to

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of those um they'll all come up as a set

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to see but um it's a lot of fun

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exploring and um i think one thing that

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it's so flexible that we can do all

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uh getting links to those and stuff and

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people could immediately upload those

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that i've had conversations with folks

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flow together but i think we you know

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element of uh the initiative as well so

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to pivot a little bit are there any kind

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of thoughts or comments on um the way

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activities that we heard from in the

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first presentation for student

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challenges and um also engaging students

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if i can go backwards and speak to the

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huge and uh lunar bots and

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i think one place to start is with that

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group of people and trying to get the

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asteroid uh

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awareness up but there may be others out

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there

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things like that that we want to look at

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there's the conrad uh awards every year

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and i know that that nancy might be

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really interested in in partnering with

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us on something like this so we we

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should look at these established

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areas that are already tapping into the

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next generation

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and look at having like an asteroid

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overlay on it

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yeah it sure seems like the place to

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start with uh

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with outreach is with the programs that

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already have substantial outreach and

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just allowing them to fulfill their

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potential but you know i'm struck by the

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fact that there are these um you know

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we've got mathematical models of

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spacecrafts and uh you know um uh

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celestial bodies and um i know that

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there are these uh you know kind of

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graphical programming environments or

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creating animation environments that

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even preschoolers are not not

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preschoolers but you know elementary

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schoolers are using these days i think

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to incorporate nasa data sets into those

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or even have nasa branded you know

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build your spacecraft to explore an

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asteroid whatever seems like a good way

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to start and i think the

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opportunity for somebody out there

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whether it's an app builder or somebody

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else in the space to allow it you know

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to allow the data from jpl for instance

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to turn into a a makerbot model i mean

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if if there isn't an off-the-shelf tool

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that does that already certainly there's

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somebody listening to this who could

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probably pretty easily construct one

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yeah and just make make the stuff

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available yeah

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i i agree with that i think um one thing

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that that

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i mean to allow the to the next

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generation especially whoever it is but

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to to have them act as participants in

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working with the information rather than

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just you know listening or rather than

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it just be one way um

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you know

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that's what games do so well i mean i

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see

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my next generation and eight-year-old uh

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just obsessed with minecraft and we were

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talking about that earlier and just the

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ability to just and they learned so much

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from it too

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in

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through that but it doesn't necessarily

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have to be that format but just allowing

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um

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them to be participants to have control

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and to allow for creativity and to allow

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for problem solving to exist

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within the construct of whatever is

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presented

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is a really great way to engage them and

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have them feel like they have ownership

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in the information and that is a really

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i think a strong thing and a great way

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to get people involved because um

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they feel like it's theirs and then once

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once they're in you know then they can

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they can build up like we were talking

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just another quick comment of course i

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spoke about um six weeks ago or so now

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and um in my talk i basically said i

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can't think of a better stem oriented

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project than teaching high school

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students to observe analyze and submit

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data on asteroid light curves or other

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asteroid observing opportunities it sure

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seems like it's kind of a

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it sounds so far out but the idea that

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there would be a a high school class

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that would teach you know

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science math students how to do this

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work

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i think it's a fantastic platform for

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teaching them all the fundamentals of

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you know i've been amazed by what jpl's

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doing and especially about this

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visualization

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one of the things um i've been going to

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the maker faire every year in san mateo

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and

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it seems to me that that community is

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really interested in 3d printing

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and if you could download those

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visualizations i'm not sure

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if it's you know it would be a big draw

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but if people

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see an asteroid or see that one's coming

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and they could download it and get a 3d

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model

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and might could use it as in the

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classroom or something like that it

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might be another

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another aspect of trying to get people

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involved in that community

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not to toot our own horn but

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grand challenge did have a presence at

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at the new york city maker faire

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and ames in fact matt reyes and and some

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of his cohorts

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did an incredible job of of printing out

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a handful of missions as well as

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asteroids that are available online to

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get the data like eric's talking about

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and then we had qr codes where people

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could

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absolutely right that community there's

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such a vibrancy in

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and a real interest in getting tangible

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and hands-on with the work so

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we continue to look

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at ways of engaging there and expect

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that we will be in san mateo

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uh with a presence

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so great thanks

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please i know uh my experiences with my

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own family and friends

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there's a lot of people out there that

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have the mindset that it's either too

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far out time wise or just generally you

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know what does it do for me now

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whereas it seems that the people who get

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into these kinds of things are people

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who are already interested

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and i think the best way to get more

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people involved is to find something

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that is

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closer time wise that they can see

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will affect them

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to give them a reason to start looking

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into this and getting involved because a

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lot of my family members are in

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intelligent minds but they just are not

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interested in anything that doesn't

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directly affect them so they don't even

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want to get involved

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yeah and that that raises a question i'd

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like to throw out to

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um the audience as a whole

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and it's one of barriers because it's

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it's easy for us to sit around and talk

447
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about this from our perspective um and

448
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i'm wondering from your own experience

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of of uh whether it's a project that

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you're working on or as a citizen and

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seeing something

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do you have a sense of barriers that we

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might be facing here because

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for us it's really important uh and we

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understand and as you say we're

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connected to it but but

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the the issue of barriers is one that i

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think

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is worth looking at and so

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is there a collective experience in the

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room that we can draw upon and say yeah

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this is maybe a way that we need to go

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whether it's near a term connection

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uh or something else i i'd love to hear

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yeah

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my thought is that you know uh we have a

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lot to compete with okay there's a lot

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of other things that draw people's

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attention okay

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on a day-to-day basis okay

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but we also have some advantages and

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i look for

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educatable moments or engageable moments

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okay and places

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for example you know while people might

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not be interested in asteroids you know

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when they're attending a rock concert or

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something like that okay when they're at

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a museum you know it's a natural place

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at this natural time

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if they're at an observatory you know so

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there are lots of places that people

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visit and when they're there you know if

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we can reach them and you're saying like

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the maker faire as an example you know

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and there are other examples of that

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where you know these are environments

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where we can reach out to people because

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that's what you know they're kind of

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uh that's what they're doing at that

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time

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and then there are other moments like

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you know uh

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if comet ison flies by you know

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that's uh and it is going to fly by and

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how interesting it will be okay as it

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flies by both as it approaches the sun

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and it approaches the earth okay

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there'll be people uh increased

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awareness

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of these cosmic objects out there and

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that's a time when again we can you know

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take that and leverage that

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and the same thing with like flybys of

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spacecraft as they fly by the earth you

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know and make the analogy of you know

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that these are similar uh other objects

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so so again i think we need to look for

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those kinds of opportunities because

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really there is a lot to compete with

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i like what eric had said

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however those are like vitamin pills

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and folks need to do their homework

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i even see it within nasa nasa needs to

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do its homework complete the dam survey

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first

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and find low delta v targets to to bring

518
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things back uh but uh there are those

519
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educational moments

520
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uh like vitamin pills planetarium

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productions uh interesting things on

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discovery or whatever uh but uh

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uh

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do your damn homework

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a question for you

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do you remember

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what what it was that sparked your

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interest to get down this path i mean

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because that to me is an incredibly

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teachable moment like what it is that

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you found

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your passion in doing this work uh sure

533
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uh

534
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my dad was a a

535
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mature student at michigan state

536
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university he took me to abraham's

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planetarium and i was curious i was five

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five years old it was footsteps on the

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moon and uh to a child's eyes uh you're

540
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overwhelmed with visual density in the

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planetarium even if it was an old spitz

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stp uh projector uh i was convinced

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we're flying through space and unlike

544
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the apollo guys it only took us 20

545
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minutes to uh get to the moon and and

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back

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time frame is not like it is today with

548
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full dome and whatnot

549
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and that was the initial spark there

550
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were a couple other things along the way

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uh

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we moved out to missouri we lived by an

553
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airport i don't know how to fly so i

554
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learned to fly i went to the air force

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academy and so on and

556
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so they're moments like that but you got

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to do your homework uh so uh uh and

558
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the moments are less frequent now uh

559
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however there are adult moments uh when

560
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uh you're looking at an image from

561
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hubble uh that no one else has seen yet

562
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there's something new

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or you're seeing uh a new spectral line

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in a near-earth asteroid from data that

565
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,240
you're collecting in real time from irtf

566
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,280
uh

567
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,200
those things are kind of cool and how

568
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,760
you sit on it and and whatnot but what

569
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,760
was that initial spark all of us had it

570
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,679
but then

571
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:28,480
how do you continue to engage i think uh

572
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,080
for the citizen science stuff i kind of

573
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,919
cringe every time i hear that

574
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:34,320
i believe in a more jeffersonian way an

575
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,960
informed republic or reform democratic

576
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,640
republic uh

577
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,400
and i think that is the greatest benefit

578
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,080
uh uh

579
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,679
through all these uh all these things

580
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:45,760
and uh the visualizations that dave had

581
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:48,159
shown uh earlier on but uh that was my

582
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:50,720
spark was a planetarium production

583
00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:04,549
that spark a thought

584
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:06,710
as far as engaging people would it be

585
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,279
possible to create something sort of

586
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,080
like an intellectual stock market where

587
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,520
if somebody that does this kind of thing

588
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,720
if what they do will help

589
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,720
further another company's effort to the

590
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:22,000
point where it would save them a

591
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,360
development cost

592
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,720
that they could

593
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,720
earn a share of stock

594
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:28,320
something so that the people who say

595
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,679
what does it do for me now would

596
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,360
actually have something that tangible

597
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:33,120
that they can see that it will do for

598
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:33,840
them

599
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:38,320
and want to get educated and want to get

600
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,120
you know keep up with the

601
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,120
keep up with the tutorials and things

602
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:44,960
because the bet would give them a better

603
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,760
chance of actually earning something

604
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,400
it's a really interesting idea and i i

605
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,240
we're not going to have time now to dig

606
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,159
into that but i'd love to see if we can

607
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:56,080
get that going on the wiki because part

608
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,240
again of the wiki is to keep this

609
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,640
conversation going and so uh if you

610
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,799
could throw that idea down on the wiki

611
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,960
and let's see if we can get some some

612
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,600
some conversation sparked around that

613
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,559
thanks

614
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,159
uh you know i was trying to think of

615
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,880
what my first uh in inciting moment

616
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,000
might be and you know there's things

617
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:16,080
like first telescope and stuff and maybe

618
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,440
getting up on saturday mornings in the

619
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:20,320
early 60s and watching fireball xl5 on

620
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,960
you know tv but the truth is during that

621
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,279
time it was easier you know the space

622
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,880
mission was really starting out there

623
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,640
was a lot of drama and excitement in our

624
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,880
society as a whole about nass and what

625
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:33,679
was going on and what interested me in

626
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,159
the asteroid initiative is

627
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:38,240
maybe this is a chance to try to recover

628
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,760
some of that same

629
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,080
level of drama in our society with

630
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,320
something that you know between manned

631
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,559
missions and the the risk and the the

632
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:48,720
the mining and all that other stuff but

633
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:52,000
somebody needs to craft this into a big

634
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,029
yeah i just wanted to follow up on on

635
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,440
actually what all of you are saying um i

636
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,080
i love the idea of of you know creating

637
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,480
incentives along the way um especially

638
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,880
so that we're talking about barriers and

639
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,240
things

640
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,080
there's a lot of young people out there

641
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:15,120
that don't have the role models or

642
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,480
the you know perceived incentives to

643
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,480
keep on going and knowing that they want

644
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,720
to reach you know this goal

645
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:24,799
and so i think that's really great you

646
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,159
know and and if we could um help to

647
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,279
uh create those those experiences along

648
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:33,840
the way um that will help them to to get

649
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,520
them to want to do their homework you

650
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,440
know then because i agree you know that

651
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,000
that it's necessary and it's extremely

652
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,600
important but i think one of the

653
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,320
barriers is simply just access and one

654
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,640
of the challenges is to i mean to reach

655
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,919
high to do

656
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,520
all of the things that we want to do on

657
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,440
on the cutting edge of

658
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:53,200
creating new

659
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,720
interactions with technologies and

660
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,559
things but still

661
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,080
be aware that

662
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,240
access to those things sometimes may be

663
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,480
difficult and

664
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,480
you know trying to

665
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:07,039
create it in a way so that it may not be

666
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:16,310
so a question online

667
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,520
what's the best way for citizens

668
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,200
people who aren't necessarily tied into

669
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:23,679
the to the more formal nasa community to

670
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,720
uh to to to stay engaged and find

671
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:28,960
opportunities to participate there's a

672
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:31,360
high school class in northbridge

673
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,320
uh massachusetts and and the person's

674
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,320
interested in how they might stay

675
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,080
plugged in and find better ways to

676
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,320
engage in the whole asteroid initiative

677
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,029
for the overall initiative

678
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,360
we're going to have a plenary session

679
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,919
following this session

680
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,919
thank you

681
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:54,720
and that will deliver some findings that

682
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,440
will

683
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:57,919
enable us to have the going forward

684
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,120
actions

685
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,520
i can speak specifically specifically to

686
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,679
the grand challenge where we have this

687
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,399
wiki that we've created and it's not an

688
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:08,240
uh nasa

689
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,120
owned wiki i don't want to say that it's

690
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,919
ours it's the communities and so we've

691
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:16,240
thrown it up there we have the means to

692
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,120
have it available but the purpose is to

693
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,960
get comments and feedback and so that's

694
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,279
the most immediate way

695
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:25,360
we anticipate

696
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,279
some virtual meetups that we're going to

697
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,120
start at the beginning of next year

698
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,559
where people can come together and

699
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,679
hopefully

700
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,399
spark in-person conversations where

701
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,159
there'll be satellite groups that will

702
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,320
be gathering around the topic of

703
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,640
asteroids and the grand challenge we

704
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,120
also anticipate getting a seminar series

705
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,360
started where we can start building some

706
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,120
education around the basics of what

707
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,830
we'll have a presence at the maker faire

708
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:55,600
in san mateo

709
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,159
and really we need to hear ideas back

710
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,880
from the community because again

711
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:03,200
this isn't a one-way transmission this

712
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:04,000
is

713
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,440
intended to spark action

714
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,360
and it's not something that we can do

715
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,520
alone and so

716
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,679
i would put the question back to this

717
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,000
high school class and say

718
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,240
what would you like to do and how do you

719
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
think that you can contribute and

720
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,640
probably the best way to to provide that

721
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,559
feedback is through the wiki and then we

722
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,880
can get a conversation going

723
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,870
exactly

724
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,000
thank you jen

725
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,320
we'll have a website

726
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,919
getting produced that will hopefully

727
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,559
also be a community driven activity

728
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:42,559
where it's not

729
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,919
nasa owned

730
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,000
and so this is this is the beginning of

731
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,480
an ongoing dialogue and

732
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,159
so i'll look

733
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:52,159
for that high school's response on the

734
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:56,000
wiki sometime within the next week

735
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,279
i think we had another question yeah

736
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,950
you know

737
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,279
flashing back to a

738
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,240
retro future 1950s

739
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,600
early 60s moment where

740
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:12,000
as a little kid and i'm talking maybe

741
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:14,000
between four and 12 years old all right

742
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,279
before

743
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,120
the uh you know culture has crushed the

744
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,039
imagination out of you and you know put

745
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,960
you into the system too far there's a

746
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,120
turning point in there of of doing

747
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,880
something that's that's the kid running

748
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,240
around in the batman cave going i'm

749
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,320
gonna i'm gonna protect you mommy

750
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:30,159
and and there's a moment in there where

751
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,840
you could get kids into something like

752
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:34,480
you know i'm a planetary defender

753
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,919
you know i i am a member of the

754
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,039
planetary defenders and it becomes

755
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,799
like the cub scouts

756
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,120
it's not a club it is

757
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,799
it is you are defending the planet and

758
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,200
then you move from there into planetary

759
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,159
uh you know you become an explorer and

760
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,679
that moves you up into the high school

761
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,360
realm and things like that but get them

762
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:55,440
very very young when the imagination is

763
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,640
still there

764
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,480
that and and you know they're going to

765
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,480
get a tweet that pops up that says

766
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:02,000
asteroids so-and-so is coming by and

767
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:03,200
they're like mommy and they run out in

768
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,880
the yard they're like look there it is

769
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,399
and you know i'm going to be here in my

770
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,799
life to defend the planet because there

771
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,880
is something more

772
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:12,240
immediate

773
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,679
to this idea of i can do something great

774
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,320
and and i can protect the planet kind of

775
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,240
thing as opposed to i'm just a member of

776
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,760
a club and i'm hanging out

777
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,919
you know and and and little kids that's

778
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:26,080
that's the turning point you know so i

779
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:27,039
just want to encourage something like

780
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:27,840
that

781
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,399
uh we are approaching the end of our

782
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:33,360
time and that touches on a topic that i

783
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:35,279
was hoping to dig into but we we just

784
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,039
didn't have the time to do so and that

785
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,760
was the idea of badging

786
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,840
it is an

787
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:43,519
area that we want to

788
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,720
explore

789
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,799
more

790
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,559
and

791
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,279
so i'd like to throw that out to

792
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,360
to the community for the wiki as well is

793
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,360
let's let's start talking more about

794
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,960
badging because i think that's the kind

795
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,559
of level of engagement that you're

796
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:01,440
talking about of um people feeling

797
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:07,190
one more comment

798
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:11,120
okay yeah i don't know if you recall

799
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,880
but there was a period where they were

800
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,640
trying to get kids engaged in space many

801
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,559
years ago and it was you know do we get

802
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,159
them involved in dinosaurs or do we

803
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,640
create a thing called young astronauts

804
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,960
and that was at the federal level um and

805
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,320
they went with young astronauts and it

806
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:25,919
ran for a while

807
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,840
thank

808
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,559
you

809
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,120
so with that i'm sad to say our time has

810
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:32,799
come to an end

811
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,159
uh it has been a a

812
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,000
broad-ranging discussion i think we've

813
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,159
got some great visuals that and some

814
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,799
actual work we can go and do and the

815
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,039
community can actually start playing

816
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,399
with

817
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:48,399
stay tuned to the wiki look for the

818
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,200
virtual meetups in the seminar series

819
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:54,159
look for a new website coming

820
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,679
this is all

821
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,279
going to be done in partnership so we

822
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,360
need your help as we continue down this

823
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,559
path

824
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,760
great big thanks to the presenters uh

825
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,159
for the audience and their participation

826
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,320
those that weren't in the room and and

827
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,360
were with us nonetheless um

828
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,440
and stay tuned we'll have a plenary

829
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,080
session to wrap up the workshop

830
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,799
uh in about 15 minutes or so